SBB Ae 3/6 II (Scale models)

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Swiss electrial locomotive SBB Ae 3/6 II non-Märklin models

Märklin 3151 shadows

This page is in group MODELS. Published 1Mar2012, updated 27Dec2022

Please forgive, the picture above is not a non-Märklin SBB Ae 3/6 II. A fullpixel is here and its note is here.

This page is my second SBB Ae 3/6 II page. Additional search words: CFF Ae 3/6 II, SBB/CFF Ae 3/6 II.

I use ‘H0’ («half zero») and not ‘HO’ («half O») for 1/87 but I use ‘O’ (letter O) and not ‘0’ (zero) for 1/43.5 since I think it’s mostly done this way(?)

Märklin Z-scale (Z scale) are covered in a separate page, here.

Intro

Observe that SBB Ae 3/6 I (10601–10714) is a completely different locomotive. And SBB Ae 3/6 III (10261–10271) is neither the one I am handling here, even if it is rather like the model.

See Wikipedia Glossary of rail transport terms.

Personally I have not found any Arnold, Bemo, Brawa, Fleischmann, Kleinbahn, Hag, Jouef, Kato / Hobbytrain and Lemke, LGB-Fahrzeuge, Lima, Piko Spielwaren or Rivarossi models of SBB Ae 3/6 II. Liliput is mentioned on this page, so do a search.

Models

Bockholt-Lokomotiven (scale 1, 1/32)

Home page: http://www.bockholt-lokomotiven.de

From Bockholt’s home page: «We use either steel or, for the small details, cast brass. All rod parts are milled out of solid steel, therefore they are much more rugged than comparable parts made of cast brass. The wheels of the locos are ring insulated, the tires are made of stainless steel.»

According to an email with them in June 2013 they have no locos left from the last (1997) production series. The picture on their web site is all there is of their SBB Ae 3/6 II. The site in Dassendorf has production only, no showroom – so these models may probably be studied at exhibitions only? A new model seems to cost €6000 – €15000, depending on how complex it is. I would guess this model is of medium complexity, since it has rods.

Some locomotives have Bockholt explicitly stated that «this series was ordered by Fulgurex» (below)

10412 – Bockholt, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 1, 1/32)

This description, along with pictures has been moved to my Gallerria Baumgartner note 142, here.

10437 – Bockholt, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 1, 1/32)

  • Green, 440 mm long
  • Made of iron, so weights in at 7 kg.
  • Original built 1922 (of the second series starting with 10421, with three fan frames on each side and two doors to open, one on each end and side)
  • Model built 1995 as it was in 1954
  • Different lamp from 10412
  • This model is depicted in the Loki spezial magazine  [046, 18], page 126.
  • Read about it here

Frisa (scale O (1/43) and scale 1 (1/32))

  • On http://www.metropolitrain.com/o-frisa.html there is an O scale (1/43) model by «Frisa» (#10439 in green or brown).
  • The brown locomotive was seen for a few days this eBay in Oct. 2012. The centre badge says «Maschinen- und Lokomotivenfabrik Winterthur». Also, there is a label underneath with «Ameba», which looks like a shop’s label. The body is in brass and the buffers have springs. It is 31.5 cm over the buffers. It is DC and is delivered in a wooden box.The seller told me in a mail that «Swiss Manufacturer Herrmann is connected with this Model Frisa. Therefore it must be a cooperation-work, fantastic models in very small edition.» It was sold for CHF 1700 to some rich and lucky person!
  • According to the Stangenlokomotiven book (page 140) Frisa also made a scale 1 (1/32) in 1990
  • Frisa is an Italian town. But Frisa is located in east Switzerland

Fulgurex

Fulgurex (scale N (1/160), scale H0 (1/87) and scale 1 (1/32))

Fulgurex is at http://fulgurex.ch/en/.

Fulgurex, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 1, 1/32)

Models of the SBB/CFF Aa 3/6 II you may see http://www.fulgurex.ch/modelle/1/ae36ii/ae36ii.html. In the book by Sigrist (here) (2016) he tells (on page 141) that these models were produced in 2010 that 10402 has six doors and that the models were digital, with sound. But only 45 models were produced of the whole series. They are in the 2010-2011 Fulgurex catalogue (below)

  • 1255/2 (10402, green)
  • 1255/1 (10419, brown)
  • 1255/3 (10428, green)
  • 1255 (10439, brown)
  • 1255/4 (10453, green)

Update 12Jan2020: Spur1-Exklusiv (Spur1 Exklusiv ) in Germany (here) told me that the model’s weight is around 6 kg. I think his two models are seen at 17.37 minutes into a presentation of his shop and collection at YouTube (here) (lower center, brown and above it the green). There are also nice pictures of the green model (mixed with pictures of the steam engine Big Boy) (here). Somewhat aside: The Spur1 Exklusiv page also has a Pein Modelle tab (from the late Hans Dieter Pein’s brand Markscheffel & Lennarz by Mr. Lennarz in Hamburg, produced in Poland) and a reference to Fine Models (here). They are all under the Spur1 Exklusiv brand (according to mails with the owner).

Fulgurex, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale N, 1/160)

N scale models are brass (messing). You may see some of them in the 2010 – 2011 catalogue http://www.fulgurex.ch/catalogue/catalogue2010-2011.pdf.

  • 10402 I think I also have seen it
  • 10419 I think I also have seen it
  • 10428 model: Green. Two doors. Three fan frames on each side. 401-1153-3d (digital). About 800€
  • 10429 model 1153/1, green, 4 doors – 1153/1d (same, digital) – in  2010 – 2011 catalogue
  • 10431 model 4208, green, 2 doors. Three fan frames on each side. DC. Seen on eBay, about €250-350. Seen it called HE890 on eBay
  • 10439 model 1153, brown, 4 doors – 1153d (same, digital) – in  2010 – 2011 catalogue
  • 10453 model 1153/2, green, 4 doors – 1153/2d (same, digital) – in  2010 – 2011 catalogue

10431 – Fulgurex, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Fulgurex 2017, catalogue number ?? Seen it called HE912 on eBay
  • Analogue, DC, two-rail model
  • Green, two models: one «Singerfinish» and one 1.serie. Two doors. Three fan frames on each side. KS155
  • The revision date probably is not printed, but an eBay seller saw «A B» (Thanks to «Ingo» at modellbahn-erftstadt.eu)
  • 1970 model, modeled by Toby, Japan. lokschuppenhagenhaspe.de

10432 – Fulgurex, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Fulgurex 2017
  • Analogue, DC, two-rail model
  • Brown (1. serie). Four doors. Three fan frames on each side. KS101
  • Green (2. serie). Four doors. Three fan frames on each side. I saw this on eBay Nov2017 and that model was numbered 482/77, probably implying that Fulgurex made 482 of them?
  • messingers.ch/html/body_modelle_h0.html (pictures rightmost columns)

Kink (scale?)

I found something rather interesting at Christie’s. At this link I found the below description, with no attached picture. From the fleet number it looks like SBB Ae 3/6 II, but the scale is not displayed. Since I don’t know whether it is an H0 model, I have not included it in Table 1. By following a link at the page it looks like it was sold from something called Mariner Collection of Trains. I deduct it’s not a painting! Here from Christie’s sparse description:

Lot description
Kink electric 2 C 1 Ae 3/6 SBB Electric Locomotive No. 10455, painted in green, 1988 (G-E)

Lemaco (scale H0, 1/87)

These are all brass models. This model was produced by ATR Brass Models in Korea, who stopped their activities in 2007 (according to a mail with Lematec). The series below is from 2005. The web page to Lematec company ‘s «Lemaco prestige models SA» is www.lematec.ch/ (and this is obsoleted: www.lemacoprestigemodels.ch). Observe that the manufacturer uses «HO» (not «H0») in their documents (Wiki). I have the 10439, there are a couple of new blog notes pointed to in that chapter (below).

(Update) Lemaco also makes scale 1 (1/32) models, like a model of the BLS Ae 5/7 (Lemaco 1-027/1, brown with road number 163). I saw one on eBay in March 2018 and it cost €9000. But I have no information of any SBB Ae 3/6 II.

Here is a google translate with a little help from me from German to English, from the documentation in the box:

  • Made from 800 parts
  • Finely painted and lettered
  • Smallest radius is 540 mm
  • At 12 V idling it draws 120 mA
  • Weight 396 grams
  • 161 mm length between buffers
  • Wheels made of stainless steel ensures excellent friction and power pick-up
  • Replica down to the smallest detail of the frame, the brake rods and the wheels
  • Model faithful reproduction of the cab with direction-dependent lighting
  • Driving lights
  • Doors to open
  • Spring-loaded buffers
  • Spring-loaded driving axles (see movie this and the individual connecting rods there, observe 11.5 MB!)
  • Drive by Canon EN22 precision DC motor 12/14 V with a flywheel gives the model a perfect ride en par with th original
  • Constant direction dependent headlights and marker lights 1.5V
  • Current pick-up of all driving and bogie wheels, also switchable to pantograph
  • The models are equipped with screwed couplings. Two interchangeable Märklin coupling hook and a NEM coupler are included
  • NEM 652 digital interface (ready for digitalisation), but it comes as standard analugue DC

I would add that it’s ok with the motor and that it can run, but that’s mostly usable for shooting pictures and positioning of the wheels. Friction is low since there of course are no o-rings on any of the wheels; also considering with the respectable 396 g force and spring-loaded axles. Pressing the loco on the house the effect if these spring-loaded axles is easily seen, and it’s nice to see how the individual rods would angle with each other. It looks realistic. (Again, see my movie there.) Driving is on the center axle; I don’t know if the rods would also transfer drive to the two other axles. It’s so tightly machined that I would not be surprised. The wheel’s flanges are probably also to scale and look small, I assume that’s part of reason for its large minimum curve.

As a true scale model this probably is a vitrine model, which is more than ok.

However, with analogue DC it starts to run at around 3 V and on my 90 cm track 5 V was all I could give it. But the lights are on even from 2 V, and they look very realistic by being incandescent and not LED. Direction-dependent lighting works from any voltage.

They are all listed in Table 1 here.

10401 – Lemaco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

10406 – Lemaco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Lemaco H0-096/1 (Manufacturer uses HO-096/1)
  • 1-105 numbered units
  • Green, two doors, two fan frames on each side
  • modellbahn-seyfried.de

10439 – Lemaco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

I bought one in St. Gallen in Switzerland in July 2014. 1675 CHF including 8% tax (not for me). It’s presented in the listed blog there and with extra pictures there.

  • Lemaco H0-096 (Manufacturer uses HO-096)
  • 1-120 numbered units
  • Brown, four doors, three fan frames on each side. As the «historical» locomotive; 1950-1970
  • Revision text very precisely printed underneath each other: «CT Yv 29.11.96» and «R3 Yv 11.6.76» @right
  • modellbahn-seyfried.de, (rittech.ch)

Metrop (scale H0 and O)

10429 – Metrop ME-801 (scale O)

This model is to some extent covered in SBB Ae 3/6 II (at Galleria Baumgartner

10439 – Metrop ME-313B (scale H0)

This model is to some extent covered in SBB Ae 3/6 II (at Galleria Baumgartner

10401, 10407 – Metrop, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

  • According to the metropolitrain page this is
    • Model: METROP / MS
      Type: SBB Ae 3/6 II 10401 & 07
      Color: Green
  • Two fan frames on each side

 10431, 10451 – Metrop, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

  • 10431: Same as «10431 – Metropolitan RR09, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)» (below)? I think so
  • According to the metropolitrain page this is
    • Model: METROP / EID
      Type: SBB Ae 3/6 II 10431 & 51
      Color: Green
  • Three fan frames on each side

10435 – Metrop, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

  • According to the metropolitrain page this is
    • Model: METROP / MS
      Type: SBB Ae3/6 II 10435
      Color: Brown
  • No picture available

Metropolitan (scale H0 & O)

I am confused about Metrop, Metropolitan and Metropolitrain. Who is a manufacturer and who is a shop? I will try to study http://www.metropolitrain.com/o-metropolitan.html, where Metropolitrain seems to sell Metropolitan O scale?

These are all brass models. It looks to me like the H0 is a rather coarse model. Especially compared to the Lemaco models. But it does look nice!

Austrian company, model produced in Japan(?) I have seen them called «vitrine models», to keep on display only? But they have a motor. I have not covered O scale models much.

[1..20?] – Metropolitan, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale O)

  • No road number (but must be in the range 1..20)
  • Don’t know manufacturer number
  • Green. 4 doors. Three fan frames on each side. Front doors present
  • See eBay by peterb3990 on July2015 at http://m.ebay.com/itm/171242481492 at about 2500€. It’s called CK-428 there

10431 – Metropolitan RR09, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

  • Same as «10431, 10451 – Metrop, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0») (above). I think so:
  • I have seen it described (on eBay) as «STUNNING METROPOLITAN Metrop». Observe both names!?
  • Model RR09
  • Green,. 2 doors. Three fan frames on each side. No front doors
  • Seen at eBay in March 2016 (here) at about €1800
  • According to eBay the model (or the original?) is from around 1970. I believe the model. It is very nice, but viewed in modern light it’s more like a toy model. But then, that could also count for the high price. The model above looks more like a scale model, but then this model has road number and text on it

10409 – Metropolitan 713G, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Metropolitan 713G (713 G) (DC)
  • Green. 2 doors. Two fan frames on each side
  • See eBay by bimmelbahn24 on July2015 at http://m.ebay.com/itm/261950248643 at about 350€. It’s called HE507 there

10439 – Metropolitan 713B, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

Model Rail  (scale 0, 1/45)

Model Rail’s company website is http://www.modelrail.li. The company is located in Nendeln between Feldkirch and Vaduz in Liechtenstein, here. I had the pleasure of visiting them in July 2014, and I was allowed to hold their own SBB Ae 3/6 II and see it run! And take pictures that I am allowed to blog! The blog note is SBB Ae 3/6 II (1:45 by model rail ag).

These models are mentioned in the Loki spezial magazine  [046, 18], in text and in an ad.

These are scale 0 «1/45» gauge 22.2 mm models all made of brass and deatils with lost wax technique. I am not certain if the details are cast there since they state that on the company site that «The thus prepared data, e.g. for the production of the etching plates is then transferred directly via modem to the manufacturing plant.» (And I didn’t ask)

Length over buffers 304 mm. Price €6050 (7.2013). They have three models (which they call «Ae3/6II» without spaces). Unfortunately, the company does not have any of these in stock any more (confirmed in an email 17June2014):

10432 – Model Rail, SBB Ae 3/6 II, (scale 0)

Article number 145601 (or 145 601). 1952 with front doors. Pictures exist on their page. It’s green.

10439 – Model Rail, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

Article number 145602 (or 145 602). As the original. Pictures exist on their page. It’s brown.

10453 – Model Rail, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale 0)

Article number 145603 (or 145 603). Without front doors. No pictures on their page. It’s green.

Roco  (scale H0, 1/87)

Roco’s company website is http://www.roco.cc. Why their url is .cc when they are a true Austrian company based in Salzburg, I don’t know. Their Wikipedia page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roco.

I think that these are the only models in this note with plastic housing.

As always, «AC» means Märklin 3-rail (even if it’s 50 years since they had the centre pick-up element that looked like a third rail). Of course, Märklin did use AC (Alternating Current) for this. And «DC» means Roco (or other manufacturers’) 2-rail system without centre pick-up element, and powered with DC (Direct Current). Pick-up mehod (between rails and centre element / between rails only) and power type (AC / DC) in this case are historically related only. After the digital age, a train of pulses are best overlaid on a DC. But with the pulses, an AC component is introduced. So digital in a way is neither, or both.

Because of this, systems stemming from the DC tradition will have to have isolated wheels on all rolling stock, and making turning track is difficult, but the tracks are more realistically looking. AC needs no isolated wheels but instead a slider underneath the power consumer, makes easy turning track but the centre pickup dots aren’t like in the real world.

The first examination of my SBB Ae 3/6 II Roco model (Dec. 2012) gave me new insight. The outer circumference is of course made of steel, but the spikes are made of plastic. This makes it easy to isolate the wheels. Good for DC 2-rail – but the full metal Märklin wheels in my view  look nicer. Also, power is only supplied to one axle (the two others have no gears), whereas Märklin powers three axles. Only this single axle is all metal, whereas all the other axles seem to have a center plastic tube, isolating the wheels. Which is the basic isolation mechanism here?

The spikes in the wheels are plastic. As compared to the full metal Märklin wheels, the Roco wheels alse look plastic. When Roco made a 3-rail version they did not make full metal wheels. The 2-rail wheels also need copper current pick-ups, sliding on the wheels on the top. Of course, 2-rail is more difficult.

However, I have a feeling that it runs more smoothly with plastic spikes. Because it runs beautifully!

Another thing is that the buffers also are made of plastic. They are realistic, yes, but I must be very careful when lifting it out of the box. I’ll have to learn anew. Again, Märklin buffers are metal, sitting in metal.

10402 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Roco 68402 (AC), 62402 (DC) – variant below
  • Green, with metallic wheels and rods, from the end of the fourties, four doors, two fan frames on each side. I have seen this model dated to 2007, but the Roco page says 2011. I wonder why.
  • The grab irons seem to be upside down, is this correct?
  • Official picture, about it (but see, it has #10408 in front, so does it cover both?)

10403 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Roco 68402 (AC) – variant above
  • Green, with gray patinated wheels and rods (like Märklin 10456), from the end of the fourties, four doors, two fan frames on each side, new 2011 (my newest model!)
  • See picture of it in my blog 046, there
  • The grab irons seem to be correctly mounted (as opposed to 10402)
  • Revision date «31.7.44», main batch says (not sure about my reading of the the number 2921)MASCHINENFABRIK OERLIKON
    OERLIKON
    —-
    SCHWEITZERISCHE
    LOKOMOTIV- & MASCHIENENFABRIK
    No 2921 WINTERTHUR 1924
  • See how little the curve overhang of this locomotive is at my blog 052, there
  • I had difficult time changing its address, once that was needed. See my question there. Roco did send a manual called 10732, but it explained Mobile Station 1 (MB1), since it was printed before Mobile Station 2 (MB2) that’s at my disposal right now. The answer was to Delete the loco, program it Manually, then setting it to DCC system and program the Address and Name that were asked for. See YouTube there. And now it runs with address 4 (default is 3). I believe this loco is from 2011, so Roco could have bothered to update the booklet!-(

10408 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Roco 41305 (DC) SBB digital start set
  • Brown, four doors, three fan frames on each side (faulty, see Selection criteria 9 of note 037). The set comes with 4 coaches
  • http://www.roundhouse.ch/Spur_HO/Roco_Lok_CH.htm – This shows 41305 with two different locomotives, one with two and one with three fan frames [1]. This may be an artefact by Roundhouse (coincidentally using two locomotives) – or has Roco supplied 41305 with different locomotives? Also, a reader in a comment here tells that he has a 41305 set where «the actual locomotive has 2 vents which is prototypically correct»
  • See 10402 for a picture of it

[1] – Three fan frames were supposedly not present on this fleet number, as number 10401 – 10420 had two. So this is a discrepancy, see the selection criteria in blog note 046.

10412 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

Update 27Dec2022: Roco 78293 will not run:[132]

This is Roco’s first model with sound.

Since Roco seemed to present this loco as «available» and «not available» like a yo-yo I finally found one at Modellbahn Union in June 2020. It’s not in their data base any more (Dec2022).

  • 78293 – AC version with sound (mine)
  • 72293 – DC with sound
  • 72292 – DC no sound

It was presented (in Norwegian) in the magazine Modell & Elektronikk, 4.2019 pp 24-27 (paper only). T

This loco is built exactly like Roco 68402, which runs so nicely through curves. See Curve overhang, at note 046.

10439 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Roco 68400 (AC), Roco 62400 (DC)
  • Brown, four doors, three fan frames on each side, the second side window from the front door are placed differently than on 10402, new 2011. This is an accurate scale model of the locomotive that runs at the depot in Olten, revision date 23.12.04 (thanks Jeroen!). The wheels’ sides are white
  • http://www.roco.com/products/Roco/62400.aspx, http://www.amundsenhobby.no/webshop/

See 046:[15] (Jeroen Schrage) where some details are very well documented, comparing this Roco version of #10439 (68400) with Märklin #10453 (37510).

10453 – Roco, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Roco 68401 (AC), Roco 62401 (DC)
  • Green, three fan frames on each side, two doors. Period III (1945-1970)
  • Revision date is «R1 Yv 6.8.73» on the right side. Thanks to lok81667 on eBay

Swisstoys (scale H0, 1/87)

10444 – Swisstoys, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

I know nothing about this model except what it says on the blechundguss collector’s pages. It looks like a rather coarse model, but if it’s from around 1957 then that only makes it magic. Inside and some of the parts are Märklin but the exterior is brass. Swisstoys ia described at www.blechundguss.ch/236.html (translated). The company started in 1957 in Effretikon in Switzerland. The model shown above was purchased in 2014.

Trix = Märklin on 2-rail (scale H0, 1/87)

The German company Trix is owned by Märklin (Wikipedia), and the Märklin 3-rail AC models are in 2-rail DC versions sold under the Trix brand. Also an SBB Ae3/6 II:

10426 – Trix, SBB Ae 3/6 II (scale H0)

  • Trix T22321
  • DC / two-rail versions of Märklin 37510, see 046

Lego (L-gauge)

I found this beautiful piece on Flickr. It’s built by Daniel Maurer, his photo album is called «Lego SBB Ae 3/6 II». He tells it’s got a «PF XL Motor and PF Lights».

After grandchild Isac (9) showed me some Lego track I found that it’s 38 mm inner width, which gives a track scale of 1435 mm (normal rail) / 38 ≈ 1:38. According to the Wikipedia article Lego Trains they «are at least 2 centimeters wider than O gauge trains». It also says there that the gauge is called ‘L-gauge’ among fans.

Most «O gauges» are around 32 mm track and scale1:43.5. I guess, Lego has simply made the trains playable, scale and gauge becoming what must. Also detailing. Like, really, many other non-scale models. Where also most scaling-down ends up at. Should this detail be visible, and how much – if not exactly to scale?

Daniel answererd my query here that he created the SBB Ae 3/6 II «in a lego CAD program, called Lego Digital Designer. The program printed me the building instruction and I could order the bricks». LDD has a Wiki-page at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Digital_Designer. It sounds like ordering of the brick sets has been discontinued, but that they could of course be ordered individually(?)

There’s a Lego database at brickset.com/.

Other

LOKI spezial magazin. «Faszination Ae 3/6 II»

There is a 130 page magazine in German about the model, «LOKI-Spezial Nr. 23. Faszination Ae 3/6 II«, here (a little more at [046.18]). I have already mentioned it here. It is a must to have!

Combining a respect of their copyright and probable wish to sell magazines; here is a simplified list of the locomotives that I hadn’t already found when I bought the magazin. So, this is an excerpt from their list at page 110: «Die bekannten Modelle der Ae 3/6 II».

I only list the 2C1 models. Models with wheels B or C from Märklin, ERNO, Kraft, BUCO, Liliput, MECANIC are early charming models. Also the 1C1 #11201 from Bockholt is not in my list. And some other rather peculiar models are not listed here. The magazin has pictures of most of them, catalogue, model build year and remarks. It lists altogether 50 models, as known in 2004.

  • Scale 1/10
    • #10460 by SBB HW Zü (a single model)
  • Scale 0
    • #10431 by Kegele (green)
    • #10429 by EID (green)
    • #10432 by Model Rail, see above
  • Scale H0
    • #10444 by Swisstoys (green)
    • #10444 by Swisstoys (brown)

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